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Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.06.03 23:08:00 - [1] - Quote Hello, I have been playing games for 13 years now and i played a lot of them. 1 1/2 Months ago i joined EVE and the Content is realy exciting and challenging for a HC gamer. I am interested in PvP so i choose my source of ISK income to have the most Skill synnergy possible: PvE Security Missioning. Im am happily soloing L4s in my Myrmidon, the Hull i want to use for PvP aswell, when i can afford it. Untill then i use Rifters for PvP. There is something that struck me only recently: L4s became too boring/easy soloing so i fleeted up with some people from my starter coorporation to inc fun. Needless to say L4s get tooooo easy and boring after a while with 1BS 2BC 2Cruisers and a Noctis. Thats a fleet new gamers can do and effectively run when they are like 2 weeks-3 Months in the Game. BS Tankfit pulls aggro, rest fit dps and concentrate on their favourite target. A L5 mission would now be the perfect challenge for us, but as you all know they are exclusive to low-sec. As PvE and PvP Fits being totaly different and the PvE fittet player will loose 100% of the time, the risk is so high that its not reasonable for us to try it. The L5 would be a challange pushing our small/young fleet to the limit so we cant really risk being ganked on top of that. I know that a skilled and specialised player could gank our whole fleet with only 1 specialized T1 Cruiser., if we choose to stay and defend. An incursion on the other hand is totaly out of reach for us. The conclusion is: There is huge Gap in PvE gaming in EVE. The steps between L1, L2, L3, L4 are totaly negligable. Any mediocre skilled Player can run through all those stages in about a Month or less. In Fact: the only thing that kept me from doing L3s or L4s quicker was the Fact that i had to grind reupation to be allowed to get one. (Wich is in my eyes totaly not understandable looking at EVEs general mechanics) I know that HighSec L5s where discontinued because of exploits of Older players that would easily botfarm/multibox/grind them. Thing is: those players can still do that. The only ones this hurts are medium-young players seeking some fleet experience and teamworking mechanics. Reintroducing young-player friendly, team oriented PvE game contend egual in difficulty to L5s would totaly make the game more attractive. The other option would be to review Mission level scaling and make it more significant, since the vast Content of diverse L1-L3 missions is finished and forgotten in only a fraction of the Players total ingame lifespan. Keep in mind that an Old ISK heavy Multiboxig Player can afford to grind L5 missions in lowsec. He is better at compensating the risk and potential ISK lost and is not as vulnurable to gankers because he has much more SP. Ah and please make it challenging. Not in the sense of "Insert moAr ISK/Time here" but "insert brain and teamplay here" I love this game and i sure will enjoy it for many years to come. Thx CCP for this outstanding Job of Programming and Gamedesign. P.S.: Please make a Faction or Tech II Projectile/Drone/Armortank Cruiser or BC =) (sry for the bad english its not my native langauge)
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.06.03 23:47:00 - [2] - Quote Thx a lot for reply and suggestions Tallian. That would be the way we would try it. But still: 1 Domi with some faction hardeners and TII Items: 120 Million EST Value. 2 Myrm around 100 Million each: 200 Million 2 Vexors: 20 Million 1 Noctis 90 Million Makes 430 Million in total value. I expect experienced gankers to invest accordingly. 1 month is enough to have such a high opinion on the intelligence and cleverness of the EVE communty ;) So what u think of reintroducing highsec team oriented PvE for small fleets of semi-rookies?
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.06.03 23:50:00 - [3] - Quote Unimaginative Guy wrote: Just roll with a logi and 3-4other people in buffer pvp ships. Cloaked falcon is a total plus. I don't know the dps of l5s but im sure a armor cane/armor myrm or shield drake or shield cane can tank one with like...scimitar reps the point was not how to do L5s. im sure we can do them. the point is the added extreme risk of gankers new players can only hardly manage on top of a L5
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.06.03 23:59:00 - [4] - Quote again: i dont and we dont plan on doing L5s in lowsec exactly because of those reasons
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.06.04 00:02:00 - [5] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Well, since you're all fairly new players you probably could grind standings with the Corporation of lv 4 Epic Arc starting agents, then run the arcs. The Corporation needs to be +5.00 or higher standing and your Faction only needs to be above -2.00 standing. Another option for access is if your Faction standing is +5.00 or higher, you can access the agents. Those missions are tougher than regular level 4 missions and they give an excellent boost to Faction standing with little to no derived standings towards other Factions. They can also be completed every 3 months. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Epic_mission_arcs And then there's Cosmos agents but they require a higher amount of Faction standing for access and don't accept Corporation standing for access. They also give an excellent Faction standing increase, but they also give derived standings, both negative and positive, to all other Factions. Running the Epic Arc missions would definitely give a boost to accessing Cosmos. Each level of Cosmos missions is roughly about a step or 2 above the regular level missions. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/COSMOS Since you have Fleet members, after all of you gain the corp standings needed to access the Epic Arcs, each member could access the Epic Arc agents by themselves and then all Fleet members run each members missions back to back while fleeted. That way you each gain standing but can still stay fleeted. Best when completing the mission with agent, each member does it as a solo player. Also remember that Faction standing increases are not shared. That will definitely give you experience on working as a team, could even incorporate some EWAR tactics such as point, logistics, etc. DMC thx man that was awesome info :)
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.06.04 00:14:00 - [6] - Quote Simi Kusoni wrote: Vincent Wright wrote: Thx a lot for reply and suggestions Tallian. That would be the way we would try it. But still: 1 Domi with some faction hardeners and TII Items: 120 Million EST Value. 2 Myrm around 100 Million each: 200 Million 2 Vexors: 20 Million 1 Noctis 90 Million Makes 430 Million in total value. I expect experienced gankers to invest accordingly. 1 month is enough to have such a high opinion on the intelligence and cleverness of the EVE communty ;) So what u think of reintroducing highsec team oriented PvE for small fleets of semi-rookies? In high sec? No, not unless it pays as well as or worse than level fours. As for gankers, not many solo players would take on that fleet. But besides, you shouldn't be fighting in PvE ships, the game goes out of its way to give you methods to avoid combat, try joining a decent low sec corporation and learn them. i/we dont care if there is less ISK. we play for fun. i didnt explicitly say it would be one person. so i should use an AC/dual or triple rep myrm with web/point and cap boosters (wich would be totaly worth it ISK wise) for level 4 security missions? sounds reasonable. there are as much ways to avoid combat as to prevent that. ability/experience/SP and ISK are the factors in that, all of wich older players exceed.
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.06.04 00:22:00 - [7] - Quote gfldex wrote: Vincent Wright wrote: again: i dont and we dont plan on doing L5s in lowsec exactly because of those reasons We do understand what you want. LVL5 missions in highsec. You want less risk for the same reward. That wont work because not only you but any bad player in the game would utilize that content and in the result drive the value of the reward down. It wont work one way or another. You further make assumptions about how to operate in lowsec. Those assumptions are wrong. Given that there are players that do run those lvl5 mission in lowsec there must be something they do right that you do wrong. Little hint: it's not related to fittings or skillpoints. i dont want to have those highsec L5s net the same rewards as lowsec. i would totaly support that every lowsec mission nets more reward no matter wich level it is. true there is a lot i dont know about low sec and i bet there is a lot a player can do to minimize the dangers. but the thing is: for semi-rookie players the huge effort to make low sec L5s is just not worth the fun. so there is a gap for new players and thats what i am referring to.
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.06.04 00:24:00 - [8] - Quote Snow Axe wrote: If you play for fun go do incursions. there is a reason ppl use T3 Cruiser T2 logi etc fleets for incursions.
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.06.04 00:31:00 - [9] - Quote Simi Kusoni wrote: Vincent Wright wrote: Simi Kusoni wrote: Vincent Wright wrote: Thx a lot for reply and suggestions Tallian. That would be the way we would try it. But still: 1 Domi with some faction hardeners and TII Items: 120 Million EST Value. 2 Myrm around 100 Million each: 200 Million 2 Vexors: 20 Million 1 Noctis 90 Million Makes 430 Million in total value. I expect experienced gankers to invest accordingly. 1 month is enough to have such a high opinion on the intelligence and cleverness of the EVE communty ;) So what u think of reintroducing highsec team oriented PvE for small fleets of semi-rookies? In high sec? No, not unless it pays as well as or worse than level fours. As for gankers, not many solo players would take on that fleet. But besides, you shouldn't be fighting in PvE ships, the game goes out of its way to give you methods to avoid combat, try joining a decent low sec corporation and learn them. i/we dont care if there is less ISK. we play for fun. i didnt explicitly say it would be one person. so i should use an AC/dual or triple rep myrm with web/point and cap boosters (wich would be totaly worth it ISK wise) for level 4 security missions? sounds reasonable. there are as much ways to avoid combat as to prevent that. ability/experience/SP and ISK are the factors in that, all of wich older players exceed. No, you shouldn't really being PvEing in PvP ships either. Although feel free to if you want to try spider tanking, or buffer fit and use logi. My point was that you shouldn't be worrying about fighting attackers, just avoid them. scenario: we see probes. check local check scan not much going on, we stay) single frig enters our mission area and warps away. later 6 players enter local. all of wich are 4 year +. all of wich have idk -4 security status, all of wich are in the same corporation. we check the scan. some reasonable pvp able ships in system. we leave. fun! not?
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.06.04 03:38:00 - [10] - Quote Natsett Amuinn wrote: Vincent Wright wrote: the point was not how to do L5s. im sure we can do them. the point is the added extreme risk of gankers new players can only hardly manage on top of a L5 I could be wrong, but the reason lvl 5s are in low sec has nothing to do with people cheating to do them. Your very complaint is the exact reason they're there. Risk vs reward. The highest paying missions are supposed to be in the most dangerous parts of space, which is why they moved them out of hi sec. Am I remembering this wrong? Was that not CCP's explenation for the reordering of the mission levels? incursions are in highsec and afaik net the highest possible PvE Combat rewards. I dont care about the ******* ISK. They could pay 10000 times the money in low sec i wouldnt care i just want to do L5 in a fleet of rookies without getting exposed to griefers. AI could definatly use a giant boost e.g. (a simple one) make frigs sprial towards you and faster (no player frig moves as slow as 400m/s) I dont have anything against difficulty. I just dont like the Fact that if you want to progress in the line of security missions you have to play prey for griefers after 1 Month into the game. Imagine WOW lvl 40 instances would be under constant danger of hostile lvl 85 PvP players bursting into the group. Blizzard would instantaniously loose 70% of its playerbase.

Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.06.04 05:14:00 - [11] - Quote Natsett Amuinn wrote: Vincent Wright wrote: Natsett Amuinn wrote: Vincent Wright wrote: the point was not how to do L5s. im sure we can do them. the point is the added extreme risk of gankers new players can only hardly manage on top of a L5 I could be wrong, but the reason lvl 5s are in low sec has nothing to do with people cheating to do them. Your very complaint is the exact reason they're there. Risk vs reward. The highest paying missions are supposed to be in the most dangerous parts of space, which is why they moved them out of hi sec. Am I remembering this wrong? Was that not CCP's explenation for the reordering of the mission levels? incursions are in highsec and afaik net the highest possible PvE Combat rewards. I dont care about the ******* ISK. They could pay 10000 times the money in low sec i wouldnt care i just want to do L5 in a fleet of rookies without getting exposed to griefers. AI could definatly use a giant boost e.g. (a simple one) make frigs sprial towards you and faster (no player frig moves as slow as 400m/s) I dont have anything against difficulty. I just dont like the Fact that if you want to progress in the line of security missions you have to play prey for griefers after 1 Month into the game. Imagine WOW lvl 40 instances would be under constant danger of hostile lvl 85 PvP players bursting into the group. Blizzard would instantaniously loose 70% of its playerbase. You didn't get the memo? Mission running is intended as a means of making isk. What you want doesn't change the fact. CCP put lvl 5's in low sec because of the risk vs reward aspect of space. The missions aren't just categorized by difficulty, it also indicates a level of pay you can expect. I find it funny that for someone who labelled themself as "hardcore" you're complaining about ganking and chose to use the word griefers. Are you shitting me? You're hardcore but you're afraid to go into low sec and do level 5's or incursions? WTF are you doing that's so hardcore in hi sec exactly? Please enlighten us mr. hardcore hi sec mission runner. reading competency seems to be an issue in tthese forums. i did say that i am a HC Gamer, the opposite of a casual gamer. i also told you that i joined EVE only recently. i didnt say that i am a HC EVE player. i am not afraid to do L5s or incursions its just not viable for a 1 month old player. running an incursion with stated fleet would be more then stupid. and the fun/not fun ballance of L5 in low isnt worth it. so the game is just denying fun, where it totaly just give it. for no reason
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.06.04 05:45:00 - [12] - Quote Apolyon I wrote: I think OP should try out incursion, in this game, you can't compare older players as lv85s and younger players as lv40s older players can fly more ships than younger players, that's it. being able to use meta 4 already make your ship perform at 80% of its maximum So Gunnery Skills 5 or 4/3 or even not existent make no difference? Drone skills 5 or 4/3 or not existent make no difference? Armor skills, Shield SKills, Maneuvering Skills, Cap Skills? They make every difference in the world and yes it is comparable. More possibilities, better Items, better Hulls, better proefficiency in everything and more ISK to risk. But i will look into smaller incursions thx.
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.06.04 05:48:00 - [13] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: OK, maybe said HardCore Gamer but that all goes out the window with Eve. Definitely didn't say 'HardCore' mission runner. To the OP, those links I gave you will have other links which include more information, do that plan I outlined for you and you'll have a lot of fun, believe me. Also when it comes to these forums, best to 'tune' out the obvious ones with attitude. This sub forum is definitely the worst one, for more info with less BS, go to the specialized sub-forums. Also, welcome to Eve. DMC Thx a lot, i appreciate it.
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.06.04 05:59:00 - [14] - Quote Tallian Saotome wrote: Vincent Wright wrote: Apolyon I wrote: I think OP should try out incursion, in this game, you can't compare older players as lv85s and younger players as lv40s older players can fly more ships than younger players, that's it. being able to use meta 4 already make your ship perform at 80% of its maximum So Gunnery Skills 5 or 4/3 or even not existent make no difference? Drone skills 5 or 4/3 or not existent make no difference? Armor skills, Shield SKills, Maneuvering Skills, Cap Skills? They make every difference in the world and yes it is comparable. More possibilities, better Items, better Hulls, better proefficiency in everything and more ISK to risk. But i will look into smaller incursions thx. You should already be focusing and specializing those skill before you go looking to fly more ships. I really didnt want to make this a noobguide thread, again thx for your worries but as i said i train on Armor Rifter and AC/Rep Myrm. Obvious specialisation is obvious.
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2012.06.04 06:09:00 - [15] - Quote Flamewave wrote: Vincent Wright wrote: Imagine WOW This isn't WoW. i know what u want to imply by that and i can totaly see where EVE excels WOW. but then again WOW has his strenghts. i doubt i will ever have to play "esdf" and have 30 keybinds in EVE and know every skill of every of 10 different classes with a total of 30+ possible builds and being able to read or anticipate the next move of the enemy and having less then 1 second to react to that as a team in the most effective way and plan the next 10 seconds at the same time, while keeping situational awareness, positions and managing resources and cooldowns of your team and the enemy. dont judge stuff you dont know. however i mentioned WOW, just to make an example for a general and universal game mechanic and how other succsessfull games manage to handle them.
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2012.06.04 07:46:00 - [16] - Quote Lexmana wrote: Vincent Wright wrote: Imagine WOW lvl 40 instances would be under constant danger of hostile lvl 85 PvP players bursting into the group. Blizzard would instantaniously loose 70% of its playerbase. Be careful with that WOW reference. You will get trolled to hell and back. This is not WOW. WOW is primarily a PVE themepark game. EVE is a PvP sandbox game. And it makes a world of difference. The fact that someone can bust your mission is the very reason many of us play this game. You have to be on your toes constantly and one of the first skills you have to develop is how to avoid fight when you can't win. This skill is best trained in low/null/WH space. If you want more challenge and fun but don't like to invest to much in ships take your group to lowsec and run L4s in PvP frigates/cruisers. You might end up in some good fights too. I realy didnt want it to go that way, but since u people seem to not be able to set aside ur phantasy world of being the gaming elite and accept a simple example for addressing basic universal game mechanics i will adress the wow bash issue. WOW is not primarily a PVE themepark game. The four Kings of fair and competitive gaming PvP are: SCII, DOTA, Quake 3 and yes believe it or not: WOW PvP (I played/still play all of them) All of those games are purely player skill oriented and you actually cant have an advantage by spending lots of cash or time in the game (apart from practice). And yes, realizing that this is not possible in EVE i more and more feel tempted to not play it. Because some uber nurd can always just run 20 PCs at once and click 1 time and kill me. The other factor being: the older the game gets the more undefeatable certain people get. How cool and exciting!
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2012.06.04 07:49:00 - [17] - Quote gfldex wrote: Vincent Wright wrote: reading competency seems to be an issue in tthese forums. Given your writing skills you are in no position to complain. how is your german, frensh or spanish ignorant turd?
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2012.06.04 07:55:00 - [18] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Hello Vincent, I am thinking of rolling a new character. Would you please be kind enough to post your Myrmidon fit so that I can solo level 4 missions in six weeks. The quicker he can earn good isk the sooner he can afford to lose it in pvp. Thank you. i dont know if ur trolling, seeking info for my setup to gank me, or just really ask a question. preatty standart uncreative myrm fit: artys, drone link augmentor ab, drone navi, cap rechargers 2 reps, 2, drone damage amplifiers and 2 mission related active hardeners drone dmg type mission related 2x heavies 5x medium 5 small some missions are more tank heavy then others so i fit more dps or less. sometimes 6 ACs/MWD + gundmg amplyfiers in the lows instead of the hardeners
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2012.06.04 10:24:00 - [19] - Quote i have said everything in my original post. most of the people didnt really address the issues that i stated or they didnt bring forth reasonable arguments for the situation and the problem/proposition stated. i would like to thank the people that actually did add constructive ideas and insight. i hope a CCP dev will see it and think about rebalancing the security mission difficulties since the reasons are obvious and reasonable. the only reason i did point this out, was because i did want to help make the game more attractive for new players. its amazing that the forums represent the actual playerbase that well. there are a bunch of socialy akward elitist haters and some very nice supportive people. the latter will make me stay a bit longer as have the very nice people in CAS in the past, whom without i maybe wouldve stopped playing after the trial. fly safe
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2012.06.04 10:49:00 - [20] - Quote its also amazing how many inflated elder men with obvious ego problems are around that have to say how hard they are and how hard the game is and how cool they are to keep up with it on any occation possible. really man its just hilarious. and i am not impressed. not at all xD

Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2012.06.04 11:15:00 - [21] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Eugene Kerner wrote: I did not do L4-¦s in a while but they must have become really easy when you can solo them in a myrmidon? My point excactly. Seems to me that doing level 4 missions in a six week old Myrmidon, means that I must be doing the wrong level 4 missions in my Domi. I cannot catergorically state that it is not possible, but it does seem somewhat unlikely, unless the op means level 4 courier missions. However, I would be happy to see a Myrmidon (skilled up in six weeks) fit that can solo the majority of level 4 missions. Then I would eat some humble pie and use the fit myself. Over to you Vincent. i already did tell my fit. domis eat a much higher portion of the dps of a room because: 1. they cant kite 2. their sig radius is much larger 3. they cant get high angular velocities dps is still a bit low though. so BS take a little longer (310ish) only thing that is a bit tricky are HACs can easily closeorbit in the middle of 5-6 angel machs and tank it allright but im just a stupid "wow" player so this must be obvious for you
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2012.06.04 11:38:00 - [22] - Quote Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: OP Make a fake forum alt to try to prove lvl4's are too easy and there's not enough pvp ... I'm sure you've got a few ones around. 4/10 Edit: I'm sure your 1.5 month old character rocks in the house with your Myrmidon and can chain lvl4's like a pro that is actually quite flattering me, thank you. no really im a brand new vanilla smartass player. mined in a dessy to buy my vex (i think that took 1 week, cant remember, had it before i could fly it and trained straight to it), jetcan mined vicious pyro in a remote system with a buy order of 68 a unit. bought the myrm, had to wait 4 days to actually fly it (again straight training to it) have to admit the 9th anniversary gift with the 2 highish value implants helped, got in the myrm, wanted to start some combat. found out i needed to ******* grind standings, before i can do L3s (freaked out), so i did L1,L2 and L3 security missions in my Myrm (almost died of boredome) then did L3 for a while, then checked out the first L4, was doable, less ISK/h but prevented me from sleeping in. learned that i cannot win against a pvp fit minmatar dessy (noob/ninja ganker 4 years old) in a PvE fit (with low SP) even though i engage him 50km out with my Artys, lost a myrm rebought one etc sry to dissapoint u i am not an alt and i dont "rock" L4s. as i stated above my dps is still quite low
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2012.06.04 12:02:00 - [23] - Quote i will tell you a second time that i did already wrote my fit on page 2 or 3
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2012.06.04 12:24:00 - [24] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Vincent Wright Ignore the douches. Best thing to do is keep a cool head and reply with the 'Report' option - above their posted reply, located around the middle of the header is a little 'Flag' icon, next to the time stamp - click that 'Flag' and report them for any infraction of the Forum Rules. Believe me, it works. DMC thx mate, will do without, can manage. am courious about those 2 that think i am an alt, or am trolling me. will play around some, is entertaining. to the two trolls (wow internet is a crazy/scary place) yes for a hc gamer thats quite aparent after 2 weeks in the game actually. as always i read most of the info of game mechanics i can fit into my head, then decided on wich hulls i want to train. now keep that sort of learning curve for a year and u can maybe beat me at SC II. (1/2 year if ure toss)
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2012.06.04 12:45:00 - [25] - Quote you know this could even be a method to bait me into exposing my complete fit and my SP so everyone can target me. and you know what? i so much dont give a **** about that, that i will actually now take the efford and post my main Skill lvls and my fit: Drones: 865k (Gallente and min spec to II, DI to 4, rest is obvious) Electronics: 65k (targeting 3) Engineering: 100k (engeneering 4, everything concerning cap 3) gunnery: 153k mechanics: 211k navigation: 66k spaceship command: 361k 5x meta 4 650mm artys 1x DLA Fed Navy AB, DNC, 3x Cap Rechargers II 2x faction hardeners, 2x DDAs, 2x MAR IIs cap control unit, 2x nano pumps 2x fed navy ogres 5xhamm IIs or valk IIs 5x gob IIs or warrior IIs now will u come and gank me?
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2012.06.04 12:47:00 - [26] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Vincent Wright wrote: So what u think of reintroducing highsec team oriented PvE for small fleets of semi-rookies? it's simple: switch your Dominix to myrm, switch 2xMyrmidons to thoraxes. Viola! You have new level of lvl4 difficulty! Don't ask someone to find job for you. You are free man. Go and find it yourself. we even did L4s in frigs man, its all boring
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2012.06.04 12:48:00 - [27] - Quote P.S. if you dont come and try to gank me now and this wasnt a bait/troll i am really dissapointed in the oh so elite EVE community
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2012.06.04 12:53:00 - [28] - Quote but also seen a thread of someone whining about having lost 4 megathrons in L4s and optin to get a fuckin kronoss for it so idk Einstein was maybe right about the Universe and Human stupidity
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2012.06.04 13:00:00 - [29] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Vincent Wright wrote: P.S. if you dont come and try to gank me now and this wasnt a bait/troll i am really dissapointed in the oh so elite EVE community now? at this moment i'm in office... Working day mate So sorry: i will not gank you. k but if you do make sure u check out wich mission i do and fit dps for the rez type i will have lowest. also make sure i got a bunch of boogeys on my ass to make it even more of a challange for you. i heard thats how people are cool in this game =) ;) i can sense a good fella there :)
Vincent Wright Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2012.06.04 14:46:00 - [30] - Quote Oscillation Overthruster wrote: Oh, I can think of a couple of missions off the top of my head that never get "boring", IF you play them right. Start with a very deceptive hell in space called "Human Cattle". When you do room V, don't follow the directions and run away like a little girl with your skirt over your head. Go ahead and take on the whole Amarr armada that's in that room. Good loots, just beware the faction hit. More fun with Amarr can be had in "Smash the Supplier". Accept the mission and go have a smoke. Let the whole thing get fully spawned, then run in there like Rambo with your little crew as described. Leave the objective alone. Let the towers be the last thing you kill. Be sure to fraps and post the resulting carnage so we all get a good giggle. Oh, and watch out for those nasty ninja salvagers just waiting to steal all those High-Isk tags............ thx for the tip mate. will look into that. even though faction standing hits are not popular amongst the people i usually fleet, including myself

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